Episodes

Pete Singer, executive director of GRACE, shares about grooming, hidden trauma, being "overly" sensitive to abuse, and the importance of third-party investigations. "Perpetrators put a lot of effort into being the kind of person who would never do that." "Being more sensitive may be the product of having more knowledge." Pete Singer is the Executive Director of GRACE: Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment and an expert on third-party investigations, trauma, and trauma-informed ...

Here's why you should reconsider a Ramsey Solutions job. "If telling the truth is risking the business, you've got a truth problem, not a business problem."- Melissa J. Hogan Melissa Hogan is an attorney and fan favorite of the Untangled Faith Podcast. She joins Amy Fritz to discuss the implications of new requirements for employees of Ramsey Solutions, and to shine a light on the ethical and spiritual issues surrounding the policies. Here's what I cover with Melissa Hogan in this episode: U...

What happened when Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding courageously revealed the truth about abuse of power in the church? Lori Adams-Brown shares more about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Pastor Andy Wood, successor to Rick Warren at Saddleback Church. Lori Harding shares about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. "We do what we can with what we know, and that is a courageous act of faith." -Lori Adam...

"We did this out of love to protect sheep. Exposing the darkness to the light is how it happens." - Lori Adams-Brown Some of you have a story to tell that you've never told anyone. And some of you are wondering if that story should find it's way to a journalist. Where would you go? How does that even work? What all goes into the process and what do you need to know to make it out on the other side? Today I'm joined by two friends who answer those questions as we pull back the curtain to sh...

Shannan Martin drops by the Untangled Faith podcast to talk with Amy Fritz about learning how to be a good neighbor. Amy shares how she was afraid Shannan might cause her to get in trouble with Amy's husband's former employer, Dave Ramsey. Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com Featured Guest Shannan Martin Resources mentioned This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithf...

Bob Smietana swings by the Untangled Faith podcast to talk to Amy about his new book, Reorganized Religion, how he was able to land an interview with Beth Moore that broke the news that she was no longer in the SBC, and his hope for the future of religion. Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com In this episode Issues facing modern churches "Only a fool fights in a burning house." The Beth Moore interview The need for organized religion Featured Guest Bob Smietana,...

Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to share from Melissa's legal background insights on NDAs, confidentiality agreements, and other forms of silencing techniques that churches or faith-adjacent communities might use. Links: https://melissajhogan.com https://melissajhogan.medium.com https://twitter.com/melissajhogan https://twitter.com/melissajhogan/status/1361716852964151304 Leave a review: https://podcasts.app.com/us/podcast/untangled-faith/id1561001170 Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledf...

Naghmeh Panahi joins Amy Fritz to share about her experience of being a survivor of domestic violence at the hands of someone that many in the Christian world assumed was a hero. Leave a review: https://podcasts.app.com/us/podcast/untangled-faith/id1561001170 Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith Where you can find me: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com https://instagram.com/untangledfaith https://instagram.com/amy...

Katelyn Beaty joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what Katelyn learned as she was writing her upcoming book, Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits Are Hurting the Church. Topics discussed: How did Katelyn decide who to reach out to for endorsements for a book like this? Proximity as an antidote to implosion. An update on my former pastor who plagiarized most of his sermons and personal stories. Ghostwriting Plagiarism What is the role of the consumer? Buy Katel...

Kristen Moser and Dan Watt join Amy Fritz to share their experience as former employees of Ramsey Solutions. In this episode, they share what it was like to experience Ramsey Solutions team meetings- particularly when the meetings were used to control a narrative or manage the image of the organization. [00:02:05] Intro Kristen Moser and Dan Watt [00:19:10] In what category of listener in the meetings, were Dan and Kristen? [00:24:19] Discrediting those who speak out. [00:28:00] The pattern ...

This episode includes mention of guns and a reference to an assault allegation. Please take care when listening. Wade Mullen, impression management expert, joins Amy Fritz to share his observations of a Ramsey Solutions employee meeting. Wade Mullen shares how impression management works and points out some specific tactics that some people or organizations may use when they feel like their image is threatened. Disclaimer: The observations that Dr. Wade Mullen shares are subjective and are his ...

Author, licensed therapist, spiritual director, and speaker Chuck DeGroat joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith Podcast. Chuck DeGroat is the author of the book When Narcissism Comes to Church which came out in 2020. The paperback edition releases soon making this a perfect time for a conversation with him on the podcast. Amy and Chuck talk about all things narcissism including the many faces of narcissism in faith communities, what systemic narcissism looks like, and what to do when you hear...

Gretchen Baskerville joins Amy Fritz to talk about Gretchen's book The Life Saving Divorce. Lifesaving Divorce Website Divorce Saves Lives Examples of Abuse Divorce and Excommunication Abuse in Religious Homes Sponsor: The Ten Minute Bible Hour Support the show: Newsletter signup Patreon membership community Paypal Donation Buy me a coffee Come chat with me! Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Host/Creator: Amy Fritz Producer: Mic...

Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions. What's his origin story as an attorney? The origins of GRACE. Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches. NDAs Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of #churchtoo reporting? Who did Billy Graham vote for? (Just kidding. Boz didn't completely clear this one up for us!) Links: Sexual Abuse Attorney For Victims | Boz Tchividjian Sexual Abuse Lawyer...

Dan and Summer Watt & Melissa Hogan joined me for episode 39: The Problem with Financial Peace University and Dave Ramsey's Financial Rhetoric. ⁠ This conversation we had was made possible by the fact that those of us involved in this episode have spent the last several years processing together our experiences with the ups and downs of Financial Peace University and the rhetoric coming from the Ramsey Show.⁠ ⁠ While we all had different levels of understanding and adhering to the plan, each of ...

Greg and Lauren Thoman join Amy to share their account of how their lives were upended by Ramsey Solutions leadership in May of 2020. This is the 8th episode in this series about Ramsey Solutions. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Nathan and Amy talk about the lengths Ramsey Solutions leadership went to in their attempts to silence them, including gathering up their friends to malign them and reaching out to their current employer. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Nathan and Amy share about the the year after Nathan resigned from his job at Ramsey Solutions. Links: Julie Roys Podcast Michael Hyatt Podcast Organizational Narcissism and Virtuous Behavior I Got Your Six Leaving Ramsey Solutions Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Amy Fritz and Melissa J. Hogan dissect the Ramsey Solutions "Got Your Six" team meeting that was held in May of 2019 soon after Amy's husband, Nathan, resigned. Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Perry Noble Fired. Mark Driscoll fired from Mars Hill. Bill Hybels fired from Willow Creek. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Transcript Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfait...

Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to respond to Dave Ramsey's characterization of Melissa and Melissa's marriage in a meeting he led for all of his team members in May of 2019. This episode may be triggering to people who have experienced abuse and subsequent secondary trauma from attempting to report and/or ask for help. Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Tra...

Nathan and Amy talk about what happened when Amy's friend suddenly stopped communicating with anyone and how Amy's determination to make sure her friend was okay led her to stumbling across information that led to the end of Nathan's employment at Ramsey Solutions. Links: Statements from Melissa J. Hogan Blog post about Nathan's exit from Ramsey Our Story of Leaving Ramsey Solutions Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Fait...

Amy and Nathan Fritz share part 2 of their experience with the Ramsey Solutions Organization. In this episode they talk about: Differences in accepting the culture between spouses who marry in to the company as opposed to those who were already married when their spouse was hired. The Daily Beast article/Twittergate. The time Amy thought she was going to get Nathan fired by leaving a comment on a blog post. Jon Acuff's resignation. The Ramsey Christmas Party. What happened whe...

Amy Fritz shares part 1 of the story of their family's experience with Ramsey Solutions, Dave Ramsey's Company. Article Amy went on the record for in January 2021. Ramsey Solutions Interview Process. Entreleadership book. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled FaithInstagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Dr. Wade Mullen joins Amy for the second part of their conversation about impression management in Christian institutions. They talk about the cost of being a bystander who chooses to speak, Mullen's hope for the future, and Mullen does an analysis of the Ramsey Solutions response to a request for comment on an article they were planning to run. You can find the Religion News Service Article here. The Ramsey Solutions response is here. Links: Wade Mullen's website. Mullen's dissertation. Wade on...